tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post4705195938235977409..comments2024-03-24T18:44:57.319-07:00Comments on Tabletop Fix: Torn World - Defiance Games Strikes AgainTabletop Fixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12421763824037425323noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-73054625884356495162014-01-23T19:59:32.893-08:002014-01-23T19:59:32.893-08:00It's easily summed up - everyone involved is i...It's easily summed up - everyone involved is in the wrong. As a 3d sculptor, the files aren't that hard to fix.<br /><br />Defiance screws up by accepting the money and spending it before the product is delivered to them for the next stage.<br /><br />Having said that, honestly, it all looked pretty... substandard to start with, so I can't say I'm surprised.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00262521465746803798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-30694370650126794722014-01-23T11:55:09.030-08:002014-01-23T11:55:09.030-08:00Well you know, no matter who's most at blame h...Well you know, no matter who's most at blame here, this is just another example of how the underground miniature market now usually works: A bunch of talented sculptors without any sense of marketing. It's pathetic really, but hey, I ALSO GOT ASPERGERS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-42817568767760778322014-01-23T10:02:30.120-08:002014-01-23T10:02:30.120-08:00Completely agree, though I have little hope of eit...Completely agree, though I have little hope of either option actually happening without legal action. Wish we'd know earlier about this, folks might have been able to warn to Torn Armor crew. Especially after all the bs after Defiance Games won Kickstarter!Hephestohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03914175172058351037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-65622548151647500702014-01-23T08:56:30.854-08:002014-01-23T08:56:30.854-08:00As far as object lessons go this was excellent... ...As far as object lessons go this was excellent... I thought they were just going to learn about the length of the development curve and various aspects in game design. Instead they see how predatory the market place can be and that trust extended beyond an arms physical reach is tenuous at best.<br /><br />In many ways this experience for them emotionally like loosing a pet, because they had been tracking it and writing a short papers on what they witnessed in the development process. In short they had an 'attachment' to the project due in part to their age and in part due to my encouragement.<br /><br />I suppose at some point I hoped the game would become a vehicle of nostalgia for them to stumble across boxed up in basement years from, and would bring that flood of memories back long forgotten.Muzzleheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07279515251650023056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-21435880824516636922014-01-23T08:32:04.655-08:002014-01-23T08:32:04.655-08:00I hope it doesn't sound cynical but maybe ther...I hope it doesn't sound cynical but maybe there is at least a lesson in there for your girls: Be careful who you trust and make your contracts bulletproof.<br /><br />Maybe we will still se a different reincarnation of Torn Armor in the future. <br /><br />I was really looking forward to use the Light War Golem in Arena Rex :(Tabletop Fixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421763824037425323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-84111976451894215102014-01-23T08:28:46.074-08:002014-01-23T08:28:46.074-08:00My 2 cents:
I guess the problem at hand is that D...My 2 cents: <br />I guess the problem at hand is that DG already spent the money. Might have worked out fine, but now Torn Armor wants out because things are going nowhere and there is no money to reimburse them.<br /><br />Imho there are two ways to deal with this in a decent way: DG reimburses TA minus what they are owed for the work they did on their end, or DG actually produces the miniatures.Tabletop Fixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421763824037425323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-47330763932708244372014-01-23T08:25:11.339-08:002014-01-23T08:25:11.339-08:00The Proxie Models/Rust Forge Shipping Container af...The Proxie Models/Rust Forge Shipping Container affair. Google it for details.Tabletop Fixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421763824037425323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-65978231046244045942014-01-23T08:08:24.017-08:002014-01-23T08:08:24.017-08:00Got a daughter of mine own. Touched by this. And h...Got a daughter of mine own. Touched by this. And having a daughter of my own I know exactly what thanking them in person is going to look like. Good luck, brother!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11680110160882762433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-91805707737794639922014-01-23T07:43:24.055-08:002014-01-23T07:43:24.055-08:00Naturally we should see how the actual contract st...Naturally we should see how the actual contract stuff works out, but I know where my suspicions lie on this one. Defiance screws over another batch of folks from where I'm sitting.<br /><br />Even if they'd be in the right here, then it would be a simple question of refunding the cash (naturally minus made costs and with realistic methods of refunding taken into account). This is effectively taking the cash and running with it under the guise of claiming the moral high ground. Mostty likely just to cover the giant financial gaps in the rest of their enterprise.<br /><br />Massively disappointed that there are people operating like this in the (war)gaming industry, particularly now that Defiance Games have a new CEO and largely a new team. Nothing has changed it would seem......Hephestohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03914175172058351037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-43021650703293492202014-01-23T07:30:00.149-08:002014-01-23T07:30:00.149-08:00I too am disappointed with this news and encourage...I too am disappointed with this news and encourage the Torn Armor team to keep struggling to get this game up off the ground. <br /><br />I backed it a substantial level and have a financial stake in this project; but more so than the financial stake I have, my young girls also participated in backing this game with some of their own money. They want to design and publish games, so I agreed to let them select a Kickstarter if they contributed $25 each of their own money (money earned in tips working at a private club event clearing tables at annual 'Lady’s Tea'). Torn Armor is an object lesson of the development process from idea to product. They have been following the updates and are very aware, even now of the events as they have transpired. I will say it was difficult for them to understand that Torn Armor may not happen and their investment is gone regardless if the Torn Armor is produced.<br /><br />The girls feel that Torn Armor should continue to work in producing the game and will support the development team by waiting. I also share that sentiment but add as an investor I would like the name of the person who suggested Defiance Games and Tony Reidy as a reasonable development team resource.<br /><br />Here are the comments I left on the Defiance Facebook page: <br />************************************************************** <br />I am so glad I stealth backed your kickstarter through Torn Armor. <br />Thanks for teaching my girls a wonderful object lesson in amoral business practices. They were very excited, at 9 &10 to back Torn Armor a company they viewed as led by a strong woman. They wanted to watch a product move from idea to reality. <br /><br />They want design games and were very curious as to how the process functioned. So I agreed to let them select a Kickstarter and then we could track its development. They knew Alyssa Faden from other projects so they selected Torn Armor. Now you have taught them that sleaze exists at all levels of life. Even in the toy industry.<br /><br />They read the latest update in the Torn Armor kickstarter and cried. <br /><br />We can't wait to meet you all at the next con and thank you, in person, for the reality check.<br />Muzzleheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07279515251650023056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-85812785522954914352014-01-23T07:26:53.229-08:002014-01-23T07:26:53.229-08:00I'm clearly out of the loop. What was the fir...I'm clearly out of the loop. What was the first strike?Luke Licenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15168472946587059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-70380401393163530202014-01-23T04:15:25.539-08:002014-01-23T04:15:25.539-08:00I cannot convey just how angry this makes me... to...I cannot convey just how angry this makes me... to ruin someone else's project, along with apparently doing a crappy job on your own...<br /><br />Jonathan Boyntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05985013560949165496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-29866071228906110982014-01-23T03:27:28.466-08:002014-01-23T03:27:28.466-08:00Oh my... That is indeed bad. Such a nice project, ...Oh my... That is indeed bad. Such a nice project, theys don't deserve having to deal with Defiance Games...<br /><br />It is definitely time to shut this den of thieves down...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-80637171960961879752014-01-23T01:36:07.736-08:002014-01-23T01:36:07.736-08:00Agreed.... I am waiting for the class action suit ...Agreed.... I am waiting for the class action suit against that clown.Mark Mondragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12342705173184475083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3685013891999261791.post-82944079805222662802014-01-23T00:00:51.475-08:002014-01-23T00:00:51.475-08:00Just in case somebody would ever consider again to...Just in case somebody would ever consider again to give DG any money.Tabletop Fixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421763824037425323noreply@blogger.com